Totoro
05-11 08:38 PM
I am working on this with some lawyers, so be patient. The Stimulus payment is a benefit, regardless of what the SSA says, but you don't need to do anything else now. Just keep any communications you have with them in case you need to refer to them later. You do not need to have an SSN in 2008, since you can apply for the stimulus payment in 2009 if you did not get it in 2008. This rule is posted on the IRS website. I also have significant documentation the PROVES this is a benefit, in addition to the material I posted in the OP.
From the Wikipedia article that you referred to:
Federal Benefits
The transfer of money, property, services, or anything of value, the principal purpose of which is to accomplish a public purpose of support or stimulation authorized by Federal statute,…and includes, but is not limited to, grants, loans, loan guarantees, scholarships, mortgage loans, insurance…, property, technical assistance, counseling, statistical, and other expert information; and service activities of regulatory agencies.
Also, the SSA defines a benefit as follows:
20 CFR Part 422 [Reg. No. 22] RIN 0960-AF05 Evidence Requirements for Assignment of Social Security Numbers (SSNs); Assignment of SSNs for Nonwork Purposes, a "valid non-work purpose" results when the "law requires an alien who is legally in the U.S. to have an SSN in order to receive general public assistance benefits (i.e., a public benefit that is means-tested) to which the alien has established Entitlement."
I have a ton of documentation to support our case, but I don't want to post it here until I have had a chance to discuss our strategy with the lawyers who are working on this.
Please do not refer to the stimulus payment as a rebate in any communications you have. It is not a rebate, which implies the return of money paid. Many people who earn no taxable income can apply for the stimulus payment. This makes it different from any tax scheme. The fact that the IRS administers the program does not prove that it is a tax program. Moreover, official IRS documents refer to the stimulus payment as a benefit similar to food stamps, not a rebate.
From the Wikipedia article that you referred to:
Federal Benefits
The transfer of money, property, services, or anything of value, the principal purpose of which is to accomplish a public purpose of support or stimulation authorized by Federal statute,…and includes, but is not limited to, grants, loans, loan guarantees, scholarships, mortgage loans, insurance…, property, technical assistance, counseling, statistical, and other expert information; and service activities of regulatory agencies.
Also, the SSA defines a benefit as follows:
20 CFR Part 422 [Reg. No. 22] RIN 0960-AF05 Evidence Requirements for Assignment of Social Security Numbers (SSNs); Assignment of SSNs for Nonwork Purposes, a "valid non-work purpose" results when the "law requires an alien who is legally in the U.S. to have an SSN in order to receive general public assistance benefits (i.e., a public benefit that is means-tested) to which the alien has established Entitlement."
I have a ton of documentation to support our case, but I don't want to post it here until I have had a chance to discuss our strategy with the lawyers who are working on this.
Please do not refer to the stimulus payment as a rebate in any communications you have. It is not a rebate, which implies the return of money paid. Many people who earn no taxable income can apply for the stimulus payment. This makes it different from any tax scheme. The fact that the IRS administers the program does not prove that it is a tax program. Moreover, official IRS documents refer to the stimulus payment as a benefit similar to food stamps, not a rebate.
raju123
02-12 01:08 PM
Trust IV.
Interim agenda is not only agenda of IV. They tried, other powerful organize also tried but no body succeeded. They don't want to give any thing out of CIR.
Trust IV
We have discussed a lot about things in this forum. Every person came up different thought, links etc and moreover our goal of adding I-485 in this feb bill.
After reading all the post mentioned by IV core, it is clear that no one can do anyting about it, there is no lobbyist that can force this to happen
So our struggle is useless, some may not agree to it because, they say they are pushing and trying to make voice that can be heard by the congress.
Congress did not listen to those million illegals on what grounds we expect our voice to be heard.
I say it again, our struggle is useless. When they wish then only something might happen.
ASTA LA VISTA
Interim agenda is not only agenda of IV. They tried, other powerful organize also tried but no body succeeded. They don't want to give any thing out of CIR.
Trust IV
We have discussed a lot about things in this forum. Every person came up different thought, links etc and moreover our goal of adding I-485 in this feb bill.
After reading all the post mentioned by IV core, it is clear that no one can do anyting about it, there is no lobbyist that can force this to happen
So our struggle is useless, some may not agree to it because, they say they are pushing and trying to make voice that can be heard by the congress.
Congress did not listen to those million illegals on what grounds we expect our voice to be heard.
I say it again, our struggle is useless. When they wish then only something might happen.
ASTA LA VISTA
Nil
02-09 07:57 PM
I agree with most of your post, but to state that 5yrs of wait is not a catastrophic delay - you have to be really very patient, and frankly unimaginitive to know what you can do with your green card.
Going forward, only people hit with retrogression will wait for 5-7 years. And if you look at the percentage of people getting a green card, a large number of them will get it in a couple of years, while the rest of us will suffer the nonsensical country cap.
Companies hire individuals not only because they can get the job done, but also because they see that the individual will evolve in his/her role going forward. Which company will continue to keep you in the same position for 5 years, doing the same thing day after day? You have to be just dumb enough not to get promoted and with zero ambition to succeed.
Understand that we are stuck. This is not what we want.
There are companies that do not want you to evolve and despite your abilities keep you stuck in EB3: that way they get more out of you, unless you decide to quit and take further risks.
Going forward, only people hit with retrogression will wait for 5-7 years. And if you look at the percentage of people getting a green card, a large number of them will get it in a couple of years, while the rest of us will suffer the nonsensical country cap.
Companies hire individuals not only because they can get the job done, but also because they see that the individual will evolve in his/her role going forward. Which company will continue to keep you in the same position for 5 years, doing the same thing day after day? You have to be just dumb enough not to get promoted and with zero ambition to succeed.
Understand that we are stuck. This is not what we want.
There are companies that do not want you to evolve and despite your abilities keep you stuck in EB3: that way they get more out of you, unless you decide to quit and take further risks.
newuser
05-17 12:54 PM
Done. For some reason, the zip code tool is showing my Congressman info wrong. Has to do some guesswork to get the right result in the search.
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vadicherla
05-17 11:57 PM
Just did
vandanaverdia
09-10 03:02 PM
Guys... get off & come to DC & join the rally!!! This is your chance to make a difference!!!
SITTING ON THE FENCE HAS HELPED NOBODY!!!
SITTING ON THE FENCE HAS HELPED NOBODY!!!
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AllVNeedGcPc
05-18 02:13 PM
Sent an email to all friends and colleagues
TheOmbudsman
11-08 10:43 AM
Hi NK2006,
I am afraid my analysis reflect the reality. I have heard a number of people talking about this and polls have shown that is the case. Iraq war & scandals were the driving force behind this. Nothing else. Even liberal newspapers such as The Nation report that is the case:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=137918
Americans are really disappointed with the GOP in general and I personally know a leader of an anti-illegal alien group who voted against his Republican representative. That is true. It is odd, but that is the truth.
Regards,
Ombudsman
So your analysis is: people are unhappy with GOP that “some” of them are in favor of immigration measures and punished them by giving control to a party where “most” of them are certain to support those same measures ????!!!???!!! Its most illogical and even comical analysis I ever heard.
Elections show that American people are much smarter than some politicians/talk show/TV show hosts hoped for. True, elections are fought on much stronger issues like war, economy etc and exit polls have shows that people are not too concerned about illegal immigration issue despite of coverage given by likes of Lou Dobbs. Also based on the fate of candidates who made the immigration their main plank, it can be argued that majority is actually in favor of such measures…..election results are a lot complicated to say anything like that…..but….its a much more logical conclusion that what you were saying.
I am afraid my analysis reflect the reality. I have heard a number of people talking about this and polls have shown that is the case. Iraq war & scandals were the driving force behind this. Nothing else. Even liberal newspapers such as The Nation report that is the case:
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?pid=137918
Americans are really disappointed with the GOP in general and I personally know a leader of an anti-illegal alien group who voted against his Republican representative. That is true. It is odd, but that is the truth.
Regards,
Ombudsman
So your analysis is: people are unhappy with GOP that “some” of them are in favor of immigration measures and punished them by giving control to a party where “most” of them are certain to support those same measures ????!!!???!!! Its most illogical and even comical analysis I ever heard.
Elections show that American people are much smarter than some politicians/talk show/TV show hosts hoped for. True, elections are fought on much stronger issues like war, economy etc and exit polls have shows that people are not too concerned about illegal immigration issue despite of coverage given by likes of Lou Dobbs. Also based on the fate of candidates who made the immigration their main plank, it can be argued that majority is actually in favor of such measures…..election results are a lot complicated to say anything like that…..but….its a much more logical conclusion that what you were saying.
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Jimi_Hendrix
12-11 04:25 PM
See in Red.
Does that mean you are not one of us?
BTW I just asked another collegue in my office who is also an old IV member. He told me that you have a got a greencard recently. You were an IV member and you tried to hurt IV members by opposing the provision to file I485. You were scared that others with early PD will get to apply and your greencard will be delayed. I was stunned to find that we have such people posting on our forum and preaching others.
Probably your colleague did not tell you about the fact that I have contributed money to IV and the fact that I was the first to get together a group of people in SO Cal to get organized and talk. So there is always the other side of the story. I have never tried to hurt IV. That is an opinion your friend/you have expressed. I expressed my opposition to a certain stance that IV took, which I believe is quite democratic. Your reason about me worrying about people with earlier PDs being able to file is false. I had a very old PD myself. I was opposed to opening up the flood gates to allowing everyone to file for EAD and AP which would jam the whole I485 system. I was of the view that we try fixing Name check and I485 as a priority.
I still support IV and its cause.
Does that mean you are not one of us?
BTW I just asked another collegue in my office who is also an old IV member. He told me that you have a got a greencard recently. You were an IV member and you tried to hurt IV members by opposing the provision to file I485. You were scared that others with early PD will get to apply and your greencard will be delayed. I was stunned to find that we have such people posting on our forum and preaching others.
Probably your colleague did not tell you about the fact that I have contributed money to IV and the fact that I was the first to get together a group of people in SO Cal to get organized and talk. So there is always the other side of the story. I have never tried to hurt IV. That is an opinion your friend/you have expressed. I expressed my opposition to a certain stance that IV took, which I believe is quite democratic. Your reason about me worrying about people with earlier PDs being able to file is false. I had a very old PD myself. I was opposed to opening up the flood gates to allowing everyone to file for EAD and AP which would jam the whole I485 system. I was of the view that we try fixing Name check and I485 as a priority.
I still support IV and its cause.
ganguteli
04-10 03:21 PM
Chanakya,
You are totally naked on this thread. People have stripped you and opened your cupboard. I cannot imagine how shameless some people are.
You are totally naked on this thread. People have stripped you and opened your cupboard. I cannot imagine how shameless some people are.
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Macaca
09-13 09:17 AM
People are always blaming
their circumstances for what they are.
I don't believe in circumstances.
The people who get on in this world are
the people who get up and
look for the circumstances they want, and
if they can't find them,
make them
George Bernard Shaw
their circumstances for what they are.
I don't believe in circumstances.
The people who get on in this world are
the people who get up and
look for the circumstances they want, and
if they can't find them,
make them
George Bernard Shaw
NKR
07-07 01:13 PM
That is the least or at least work with them for 6 months since that is what the law would require you after getting GC.
Can you please tell me where it is mentioned like that?.
Can you please tell me where it is mentioned like that?.
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PlainSpeak
03-28 03:01 PM
Please Donate to IV Advocacy or particpiate in the Advocacy in person. Thsi si for your own benefit and you are working for your own green card
There now are you happy :D:D
There now are you happy :D:D
days_go_by
03-08 05:09 PM
based on country of origin, why even aus? is it because their spouses are more productive than our spouses? or is it because most aus are white,
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needhelp!
03-04 09:56 PM
I have received a response on my request last year to USCIS for information on number of AOS applications pending. Here it is: http://download206.mediafire.com/xwcsdggj4yjg/blrmnntd10w/FOIA_USCISResponse.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/?blrmnntd10w)
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February 24, 2009
NRC2008065126
We received your request for information relating to Adjustment of Status applications in the employment-based category. You have specifically requested the number of pending employment based AOS applications, (excluding approved, denied) filed with USCIS since 2001, for each of the following countries and categories:
- EB-2 China
- EB-2 India
- EB-3 China
- EB-3 India
- EB-3 Mexico
- EB-3 Philippines
- EB-3 Rest of the World
Your request is being handled under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C 552). It has been assigned the following control number: NRC2008065126. Please cite th is number in any further inquiry about this request.
In order to extract the information you have requested, a customized computer program will be required. You will be charged for the time it takes to write the program as well as the time involved in running the query to extract the date. You will not be charged for duplication, review and search time. We estimate the cost to be $5000.00. Due to the time and effort involved, you will be asked to sign an advance fee agreement before we proceed with your request. In addition, a deposit of $2500.00 payable by check or money order, must be paid within 30 days of the date of this notification. Please make your check payable to the United States Treasury, Failure to submit the $2500.00 deposit within the time frame given will result in your request being administratively closed.
In order to assure that we provide the information you seek in the format you have requested, we ask that you clarify the information sought. Employment based status is broken down into the following 14 categories.
_____________
NRC2008065126
Page 2
E21 203(b)(2) PROF/EXCPTNL ABILITY
E22 SPOUSE OF ES1 OR E21
E23 CHILD OF ES1 OR E21
E26 203(b)(2) PROF/EXCPTNL ABILITY
E27 SPOUSE OF ES6
E28 CHILD OF ES6
E30 203(b)(3) CHILD OF E36, E37
E31 203(b)(3)(A)(i) SKILLED WORKER
E32 203(b)(3)(A)(ii) PROFESSIONAL
E34 203(b)(3)(A) SPOUSE OF E31, E32
E35 203(b)(3)(A) CHILD OF E31, E32
E36 203(b)(3)(A)(i) SKILLED WORKER
E37 203(b)(3)(A)(ii) PROFESSIONAL
E39 203(b)(3)(A) SPOUSE OF E36, E37
Are you asking tha the information we provide be broken down into the categories listed above, or may we group all EB-2 categories and ass EB-3 categories together?
Please define priority date.
You have asked for information concerning the country of chargeability. This information is not assigned until the application is approved or denied. Since you have requested information on pending applications only, this information is not available.
If you have any questions concerning your pending FOIA/PA request, please address them to this office, Attention: FOIA/PA Officer, or call us at 816-350-5570, or fax any FOIA/PA related correspondence to 816-350-5785.
Sincerely,
T. Diane Cejka
Director
___________________________
I will post a scan tomorrow
From what I understand, they aren't able to get the numbers by country of chargeablility.
Its funny they are asking me to define priority date ! :)
____________________________
Here is the original letter template sent to USCIS
FOIA Request for number of pending Employment based AOS/I-485 Applications
John Doe,
200 Main Street,
Chicago,IL,60001
National Records Center, FOIA/PA Office
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
P. O. Box 648010
Lee’s Summit, MO 64064-8010
Dear FOIA officer,
Several Employment based categories have been retrogressed for 4 years now and the exact number of pending AOS applications sorted by priority dates in the employment-based category is unknown. Department of state has been establishing the cut off in priority dates based on educated guesses and approximations. DOS and none of the Employment based applicants know the number of applications pending per category, per country sorted by priority dates. DOS visa office expressed similar concern in Oct 08 bulletin.
“Little if any forward movement of the cut-off dates in most Employment categories is likely until the extent of the CIS backlog of old priority dates can be determined.”
This information would be helpful in determining the priority dates accurately and in determining when a visa number will be available for a given priority date in a certain category. I request you to provide me with the number of pending employment based AOS applications, (excluding approved/denied) in the following categories sorted on a priority date basis from 2001.
EB-2 China & India: Number of employment based AOS applications pending with USCIS sorted by priority date on a yearly basis from year 2001 till now
EB-3 China, India, Mexico & Philippines & Rest of the World: Number of employment based AOS applications pending with USCIS sorted by priority date on a yearly basis from year 2001 till now
Thanks,
John Doe.
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February 24, 2009
NRC2008065126
We received your request for information relating to Adjustment of Status applications in the employment-based category. You have specifically requested the number of pending employment based AOS applications, (excluding approved, denied) filed with USCIS since 2001, for each of the following countries and categories:
- EB-2 China
- EB-2 India
- EB-3 China
- EB-3 India
- EB-3 Mexico
- EB-3 Philippines
- EB-3 Rest of the World
Your request is being handled under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C 552). It has been assigned the following control number: NRC2008065126. Please cite th is number in any further inquiry about this request.
In order to extract the information you have requested, a customized computer program will be required. You will be charged for the time it takes to write the program as well as the time involved in running the query to extract the date. You will not be charged for duplication, review and search time. We estimate the cost to be $5000.00. Due to the time and effort involved, you will be asked to sign an advance fee agreement before we proceed with your request. In addition, a deposit of $2500.00 payable by check or money order, must be paid within 30 days of the date of this notification. Please make your check payable to the United States Treasury, Failure to submit the $2500.00 deposit within the time frame given will result in your request being administratively closed.
In order to assure that we provide the information you seek in the format you have requested, we ask that you clarify the information sought. Employment based status is broken down into the following 14 categories.
_____________
NRC2008065126
Page 2
E21 203(b)(2) PROF/EXCPTNL ABILITY
E22 SPOUSE OF ES1 OR E21
E23 CHILD OF ES1 OR E21
E26 203(b)(2) PROF/EXCPTNL ABILITY
E27 SPOUSE OF ES6
E28 CHILD OF ES6
E30 203(b)(3) CHILD OF E36, E37
E31 203(b)(3)(A)(i) SKILLED WORKER
E32 203(b)(3)(A)(ii) PROFESSIONAL
E34 203(b)(3)(A) SPOUSE OF E31, E32
E35 203(b)(3)(A) CHILD OF E31, E32
E36 203(b)(3)(A)(i) SKILLED WORKER
E37 203(b)(3)(A)(ii) PROFESSIONAL
E39 203(b)(3)(A) SPOUSE OF E36, E37
Are you asking tha the information we provide be broken down into the categories listed above, or may we group all EB-2 categories and ass EB-3 categories together?
Please define priority date.
You have asked for information concerning the country of chargeability. This information is not assigned until the application is approved or denied. Since you have requested information on pending applications only, this information is not available.
If you have any questions concerning your pending FOIA/PA request, please address them to this office, Attention: FOIA/PA Officer, or call us at 816-350-5570, or fax any FOIA/PA related correspondence to 816-350-5785.
Sincerely,
T. Diane Cejka
Director
___________________________
I will post a scan tomorrow
From what I understand, they aren't able to get the numbers by country of chargeablility.
Its funny they are asking me to define priority date ! :)
____________________________
Here is the original letter template sent to USCIS
FOIA Request for number of pending Employment based AOS/I-485 Applications
John Doe,
200 Main Street,
Chicago,IL,60001
National Records Center, FOIA/PA Office
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
P. O. Box 648010
Lee’s Summit, MO 64064-8010
Dear FOIA officer,
Several Employment based categories have been retrogressed for 4 years now and the exact number of pending AOS applications sorted by priority dates in the employment-based category is unknown. Department of state has been establishing the cut off in priority dates based on educated guesses and approximations. DOS and none of the Employment based applicants know the number of applications pending per category, per country sorted by priority dates. DOS visa office expressed similar concern in Oct 08 bulletin.
“Little if any forward movement of the cut-off dates in most Employment categories is likely until the extent of the CIS backlog of old priority dates can be determined.”
This information would be helpful in determining the priority dates accurately and in determining when a visa number will be available for a given priority date in a certain category. I request you to provide me with the number of pending employment based AOS applications, (excluding approved/denied) in the following categories sorted on a priority date basis from 2001.
EB-2 China & India: Number of employment based AOS applications pending with USCIS sorted by priority date on a yearly basis from year 2001 till now
EB-3 China, India, Mexico & Philippines & Rest of the World: Number of employment based AOS applications pending with USCIS sorted by priority date on a yearly basis from year 2001 till now
Thanks,
John Doe.
nrk
06-10 03:45 PM
Yes Sep 30th
from October 1st new fiscal year starts for USCIS
which month is FY-2010 end for USCIS? Sep?
from October 1st new fiscal year starts for USCIS
which month is FY-2010 end for USCIS? Sep?
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eb3_nepa
04-27 10:18 PM
Sent in $100 by check. Estimated arrival date is 05/05 but i am sure it will get there b4 that.
cagedcactus
10-19 01:18 PM
Logic life.... many thanks for modifying the thread to reflect the main goal...
ajobha, and tamoul... welcome to the chapter...
see you all in the morning tomorrow at 10:00 AM sharp....
WD... please let me know if you got a chance to discuss a non profit situation to the recreation center? maybe we can get a room big enough for 20-25 people.... if not, fine.... we can use the chairs and tables for now... there is plenty of those for community meetings...
ajobha, and tamoul... welcome to the chapter...
see you all in the morning tomorrow at 10:00 AM sharp....
WD... please let me know if you got a chance to discuss a non profit situation to the recreation center? maybe we can get a room big enough for 20-25 people.... if not, fine.... we can use the chairs and tables for now... there is plenty of those for community meetings...
ash0210
02-12 06:28 PM
Stop amaturish and derogative remarks all the time to forum members. If you feel, I am contributing only after I-485 measures failed then its your mind-set problem..also, will you shut up and mind your business?
Thanks for sticking with IV!!!. Its a bit ironic that you decided to contribute to IV only after 485 measure failed, which you were opposing. I agree with your message of unity, but that should hold good at all times, irrespective of whether you agree and do not agree with IV. People holding off contributions, heckling IV, questioning IV rationale when they don�t agree with IV is outright selfish and should be avoided at all times.
Thanks for sticking with IV!!!. Its a bit ironic that you decided to contribute to IV only after 485 measure failed, which you were opposing. I agree with your message of unity, but that should hold good at all times, irrespective of whether you agree and do not agree with IV. People holding off contributions, heckling IV, questioning IV rationale when they don�t agree with IV is outright selfish and should be avoided at all times.
sanju
06-19 10:20 PM
Hello mmandal,
Many of us who visit IV forums everyday know that snethil1 is an idiot. I would highly recommend more people to add him to your ignore list, just as I did. I read his post because you quoted him in your post. Otherwise his posts do not even show up on my screen. He and his posts are inconsequential if you add him to your ignore list.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
This guy's a congenital pessimist.
Companies were vague on numbers. So how could they satisfy Senators. I knew only a few companies gave detail about open positions including Microsoft, Intel and oracle. How you can impress Senate or house? But anti immigrants gave all the layoff numbers, h1b numbers used and details of abuses happened for past few years. It is not just money power will win. With facts and numbers if you have money power then you can win. That is reason for past 3 years H1b numbers or GC numbers were not increased inspite of heavy lobbying.
Many of us who visit IV forums everyday know that snethil1 is an idiot. I would highly recommend more people to add him to your ignore list, just as I did. I read his post because you quoted him in your post. Otherwise his posts do not even show up on my screen. He and his posts are inconsequential if you add him to your ignore list.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
This guy's a congenital pessimist.
Companies were vague on numbers. So how could they satisfy Senators. I knew only a few companies gave detail about open positions including Microsoft, Intel and oracle. How you can impress Senate or house? But anti immigrants gave all the layoff numbers, h1b numbers used and details of abuses happened for past few years. It is not just money power will win. With facts and numbers if you have money power then you can win. That is reason for past 3 years H1b numbers or GC numbers were not increased inspite of heavy lobbying.
Dhundhun
06-27 04:50 PM
i efiled on June 9th and finger scan and photo appt on July 7th. i hope they don't approve my application before then :rolleyes:
Did you sent photo? If not then you can be sure.
Did you sent photo? If not then you can be sure.
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