alterego
09-20 06:35 PM
I have to admire the unbelievable energy and commitment of you guys. Especially those who organized the rally and to some extent those who attended it from far away are probably tired and catching their breath!
We need to have some creativity and strategy in our next step. Rally after rally probably is not the best way to get that, the so called law of diminishing returns. The flower protest for example gave us a lot of visibility and media coverage since it was something intriguing and new. It was fairly inexpensive and got us the kind of coverage we wanted and arguably results that were out of size with the effort.
I think we need to think outside the box and have one more high publicity event. Another rally is certainly an option for later should legislative action heat up. I'm hopeful the upcoming legislation will allow someone to introduce friendly legislation. I am sure IV's lobbying advisers will have some input on timing etc. and I am pretty sure organizations like compete America etc. also will use this to push their efforts as well. IV core ought to be in contact with them.
A few very important things came from this rally. Firstly, that we can organize such an event, in no small part due to such a committed and capable leadership team. We got fairly good media coverage in highly visible newspapers, that covered not just the event but also some of the issues facing us in clear detail. Finally the lobby day events were definitely very good. I was amazed that 150 meetings took place.
To put this in context, large national organizations of some professions have these lobby days sometimes, and they do well to get about 100 lawmaker meetings done.
One thing I wish to add is that we must develop a good way of sending out many letters at will/as per the strategy of IV core to the lawmakers at critical times. We are 23K strong. Surely we can get atleast as many letters sent in to lawmakers at critical times. If you can't send a written petition to a lawmaker then I doubt it makes any sense to even think you or anyone can alter your fate, in that case time spent on sites like this is for what reason?
Professional organizations do letter campaigns all the time and get a good response. If everyone moves on these issues it does create a splash and can bring visibility and attention.
All ideas should be collected here in this thread.
We need to have some creativity and strategy in our next step. Rally after rally probably is not the best way to get that, the so called law of diminishing returns. The flower protest for example gave us a lot of visibility and media coverage since it was something intriguing and new. It was fairly inexpensive and got us the kind of coverage we wanted and arguably results that were out of size with the effort.
I think we need to think outside the box and have one more high publicity event. Another rally is certainly an option for later should legislative action heat up. I'm hopeful the upcoming legislation will allow someone to introduce friendly legislation. I am sure IV's lobbying advisers will have some input on timing etc. and I am pretty sure organizations like compete America etc. also will use this to push their efforts as well. IV core ought to be in contact with them.
A few very important things came from this rally. Firstly, that we can organize such an event, in no small part due to such a committed and capable leadership team. We got fairly good media coverage in highly visible newspapers, that covered not just the event but also some of the issues facing us in clear detail. Finally the lobby day events were definitely very good. I was amazed that 150 meetings took place.
To put this in context, large national organizations of some professions have these lobby days sometimes, and they do well to get about 100 lawmaker meetings done.
One thing I wish to add is that we must develop a good way of sending out many letters at will/as per the strategy of IV core to the lawmakers at critical times. We are 23K strong. Surely we can get atleast as many letters sent in to lawmakers at critical times. If you can't send a written petition to a lawmaker then I doubt it makes any sense to even think you or anyone can alter your fate, in that case time spent on sites like this is for what reason?
Professional organizations do letter campaigns all the time and get a good response. If everyone moves on these issues it does create a splash and can bring visibility and attention.
All ideas should be collected here in this thread.
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Amma
06-24 12:46 PM
Called his office today. The lady who took the phone told me to call my local congressman.
Looks like she is getting plenty of calls regarding this.
Looks like she is getting plenty of calls regarding this.
H4_losing_hope
02-15 03:12 PM
Folks this is great news!! I agree, we are all winners in the end!!! :) But don't go trying to beat me now abhijitp haha just kidding :D
It's the weekend folks, let's print out some template letters and ask friends for 1 minute of their time.
Let's keep up the momentum, March 1st will be here before we know it.
It's the weekend folks, let's print out some template letters and ask friends for 1 minute of their time.
Let's keep up the momentum, March 1st will be here before we know it.
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pappu
02-12 03:24 PM
pls post contact of the reporter or newspaper with your news link
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marlon2006
07-18 12:16 PM
GCBy3000, your story is so similar to mine. It is a sad story. Let's look forward and win this battle. I think if we keep ourselves our education up to date we may succeed.
In 2005 I started the MBA from a top 20 school. When I reached 50% of it, I put the thing on hold because I realized that I could find employers in this area which could pay the $50,000 the program was costing me. The good news is that when I completed 24 credits, I got a part-time job on EAD as a lecturer for a bachelor science/300 level course in infosec. The bad news is that I learned in 2006 that my MBA in Information Systems has been discontinued and I lost all my credits and valuable $14,000 I spent.
Therefore my advice for those thinking of starting the masters program:
Go for it, start and finish it. If you are on EAD, apparently you should be eligibile for US Federal Aid Loans.
I am very happy teaching one night/week, that extra income is enough to pay 90% of the masters program (it is true that I am planning to resume the masters and pick MS Information Management instead, as that seems more strategical (and less expensive) than MBA to me.
I was thinking about PMI, CISA and MBA right from the time I landed in US in 1999. Then I realized that I need to get an GC to make use of those. Then I started to look for a stable company where I can start my GC process. It took three years toll till then. I joined a good ameican company as a perm employee. They did not file my GC as they promised and I had to quit to join another company for the heck of my GC and for my (my wife with CPA / CA is on H4 for 5th year now) dream career. I had to go many step back in technology with the new company but I sucessfully managed to file my GC.
Then what? When I finished studying my PMI, all the retrogression story started. Then I had to ask questions my self.
1. With PMI certification in 2004, if I am doing a Sr. Software engineer, will it not raise questions down the line in my career interviews. May be yes or no, but I do not have answers.
2. With PMI Cert in 2004, if I can get my GC in 2005, I am pretty sure I could manage any questions throws at me, but not in 2008 or 2010. So I dropped the idea on PMI / CISA/ GMAT until I have 50% certanity of when I will be getting my GC in hand.
3. The worst will be starting an MBA with good univeristy and competing it in next two years with zero hope of getting GC then. What would you do if you are not even closer to file your 485 when you have MBA degree in hand. You will have career in your home country with this MBA for sure, but who will pay your debts here. It is like shooting yourself on your foot with golden gun. Atleast you will be satsifed it is golden gun, but the end result is hurting yourselves.
4. So what is the option? Never give up. There are always difficult times for everyone. What we are facing is nothing. There are people who are graduating at the age of 70 in US. I have seen a lady at the age of 70 graduating with MAB from Harvard. I thought she did it for fun, but in an interview she said she wants to pursue her career in marketing field. This is an eye opener for me. So prepare yourself with TOEFL and GMAT. These scores are valid for 5 years. Join from volunteer organizations and develop your leadership skills. Reco letters from these orgs will have great impact when you apply for MBA infuture. Most of all it is right way to live a peaceful life atleast if you do not go the MBA route, you will develop the skills needed for your life.
In 2005 I started the MBA from a top 20 school. When I reached 50% of it, I put the thing on hold because I realized that I could find employers in this area which could pay the $50,000 the program was costing me. The good news is that when I completed 24 credits, I got a part-time job on EAD as a lecturer for a bachelor science/300 level course in infosec. The bad news is that I learned in 2006 that my MBA in Information Systems has been discontinued and I lost all my credits and valuable $14,000 I spent.
Therefore my advice for those thinking of starting the masters program:
Go for it, start and finish it. If you are on EAD, apparently you should be eligibile for US Federal Aid Loans.
I am very happy teaching one night/week, that extra income is enough to pay 90% of the masters program (it is true that I am planning to resume the masters and pick MS Information Management instead, as that seems more strategical (and less expensive) than MBA to me.
I was thinking about PMI, CISA and MBA right from the time I landed in US in 1999. Then I realized that I need to get an GC to make use of those. Then I started to look for a stable company where I can start my GC process. It took three years toll till then. I joined a good ameican company as a perm employee. They did not file my GC as they promised and I had to quit to join another company for the heck of my GC and for my (my wife with CPA / CA is on H4 for 5th year now) dream career. I had to go many step back in technology with the new company but I sucessfully managed to file my GC.
Then what? When I finished studying my PMI, all the retrogression story started. Then I had to ask questions my self.
1. With PMI certification in 2004, if I am doing a Sr. Software engineer, will it not raise questions down the line in my career interviews. May be yes or no, but I do not have answers.
2. With PMI Cert in 2004, if I can get my GC in 2005, I am pretty sure I could manage any questions throws at me, but not in 2008 or 2010. So I dropped the idea on PMI / CISA/ GMAT until I have 50% certanity of when I will be getting my GC in hand.
3. The worst will be starting an MBA with good univeristy and competing it in next two years with zero hope of getting GC then. What would you do if you are not even closer to file your 485 when you have MBA degree in hand. You will have career in your home country with this MBA for sure, but who will pay your debts here. It is like shooting yourself on your foot with golden gun. Atleast you will be satsifed it is golden gun, but the end result is hurting yourselves.
4. So what is the option? Never give up. There are always difficult times for everyone. What we are facing is nothing. There are people who are graduating at the age of 70 in US. I have seen a lady at the age of 70 graduating with MAB from Harvard. I thought she did it for fun, but in an interview she said she wants to pursue her career in marketing field. This is an eye opener for me. So prepare yourself with TOEFL and GMAT. These scores are valid for 5 years. Join from volunteer organizations and develop your leadership skills. Reco letters from these orgs will have great impact when you apply for MBA infuture. Most of all it is right way to live a peaceful life atleast if you do not go the MBA route, you will develop the skills needed for your life.
pune_guy
05-28 07:16 PM
Hi
I am trying to donate $50 but every time I go through the "Donate" link it takes me to paypal site, where it says that the transaction could not be completed.
Did anybody else saw this problem?
Can I simply send the money to donations@immigrationvoice.org? The last time I contributed using paypal this was the email address that the money was sent to, the business member id was 878.
I am trying to donate $50 but every time I go through the "Donate" link it takes me to paypal site, where it says that the transaction could not be completed.
Did anybody else saw this problem?
Can I simply send the money to donations@immigrationvoice.org? The last time I contributed using paypal this was the email address that the money was sent to, the business member id was 878.
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hopefull
06-09 01:16 PM
From Immigration bill drew fire from both sides (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-immig9jun09,1,3157639.story) By Janet Hook and Nicole Gaouette, LA Times Staff Writers, June 9, 2007
Just one anti-immigration group, NumbersUSA, has sent more than 100,000 faxes and made thousands of calls to Congress since Wednesday. The intensity of that anger propelled some of the bill's opponents.
To make it a fair debate and an honest opinion the senate and the congress should take the SSN of all anit immigrant groups and analyse their credit history work record etc...
Just one anti-immigration group, NumbersUSA, has sent more than 100,000 faxes and made thousands of calls to Congress since Wednesday. The intensity of that anger propelled some of the bill's opponents.
To make it a fair debate and an honest opinion the senate and the congress should take the SSN of all anit immigrant groups and analyse their credit history work record etc...
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ashwin_27
05-20 08:02 PM
Contributed $100. Also forwarded message to several friends who arent even aware of IV.
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easygoer
07-14 05:08 PM
Hi mheggde,
You gave very good answer we were searching since morning. Thanks
You gave very good answer we were searching since morning. Thanks
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BharatPremi
12-10 03:20 PM
I fully agree.
They may have some material education.
But Indian guys working here are third class fellows.
Arrogant, low tendencies, flase values etc.
They don't even mix with other Indians and think they are in Heaven or some thing.Don't worry if they loose their GCc.
These guys are unworthy of gettings GCs.
Best Regards
We are here talking about results of passiveness and highly critical need of activeness from members. And we have members from all countries. If you can contribute your ideas within the main theme of this thread than please do so otherwise stop this unnecessary ranting.It does not serve any purpose.
They may have some material education.
But Indian guys working here are third class fellows.
Arrogant, low tendencies, flase values etc.
They don't even mix with other Indians and think they are in Heaven or some thing.Don't worry if they loose their GCc.
These guys are unworthy of gettings GCs.
Best Regards
We are here talking about results of passiveness and highly critical need of activeness from members. And we have members from all countries. If you can contribute your ideas within the main theme of this thread than please do so otherwise stop this unnecessary ranting.It does not serve any purpose.
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eyeswe
06-14 09:36 AM
I am not on AF payroll, so please don't use your choicest abuse on me if it seems like I may be defending their actions a bit here. What I really want to do is give my experience with AI and the facts that comes sout of it and see if you would agree something similar could have happend with our fellow citizens on AF.
I was travelling on AI ORD-MUM via FKFT. Similar to what happend at CDG airport, just minutes before my plane was about to land at FKFT, the right engine shut off and at FKFT airport, it was reported that a mechanic from London etc will have to fix it. After 3 hrs it was reported that it cannot be fixed and a new plane from somewhere in Europe will have to come and carry us to Mumbai. In the meantime they gave us coffee and fruits. Old and people who were less able got some blankets etc to lay down, but in general, mist of them were just loitering inthe airport. AFter 5 hrs or so, all US passport holders (and of course EU) were told, they could go out and stay at a hotel and come back next morning, which would be the earliest the plane would take off. All the Indian passport holders were told,we could not go out due to visa restrictions. But AI started negotioations with the Polecie of Germany to see if we could get some type of temp visa. 12 hours after the start of the ordeal AI was able to obtain a group visa for us at midnight from the German Policei. Note that most of the admisnistartive work to get the visa was really managed by the Indian passengers themselves. Ther was probably 1 AI personnel to do/direct some of the things, but after a while the polecie started talking surectly to us on next steps.. All through this we went to have 3 scerurity checks at different points in the airport. We were put in the same hotel ( as swanky Marriott in heart of FKFT) as the US/WU citizens. We spend the next 36 hrs(yea, there was no plane from Europe to carry us) in the hotel before we got a plane from Mumbai to take us back.
So putting all this in context, I was happy that AI did help us when the situation was dire.with hotels and food etc. But they cannot help you with the Visa situation. I am assuming that it was the same predicament for AF. I agree not treating the pasengers well in terms of politeness, food , temporary lounge etc is not an excuse, esp at CDG which is AF's home.
I was travelling on AI ORD-MUM via FKFT. Similar to what happend at CDG airport, just minutes before my plane was about to land at FKFT, the right engine shut off and at FKFT airport, it was reported that a mechanic from London etc will have to fix it. After 3 hrs it was reported that it cannot be fixed and a new plane from somewhere in Europe will have to come and carry us to Mumbai. In the meantime they gave us coffee and fruits. Old and people who were less able got some blankets etc to lay down, but in general, mist of them were just loitering inthe airport. AFter 5 hrs or so, all US passport holders (and of course EU) were told, they could go out and stay at a hotel and come back next morning, which would be the earliest the plane would take off. All the Indian passport holders were told,we could not go out due to visa restrictions. But AI started negotioations with the Polecie of Germany to see if we could get some type of temp visa. 12 hours after the start of the ordeal AI was able to obtain a group visa for us at midnight from the German Policei. Note that most of the admisnistartive work to get the visa was really managed by the Indian passengers themselves. Ther was probably 1 AI personnel to do/direct some of the things, but after a while the polecie started talking surectly to us on next steps.. All through this we went to have 3 scerurity checks at different points in the airport. We were put in the same hotel ( as swanky Marriott in heart of FKFT) as the US/WU citizens. We spend the next 36 hrs(yea, there was no plane from Europe to carry us) in the hotel before we got a plane from Mumbai to take us back.
So putting all this in context, I was happy that AI did help us when the situation was dire.with hotels and food etc. But they cannot help you with the Visa situation. I am assuming that it was the same predicament for AF. I agree not treating the pasengers well in terms of politeness, food , temporary lounge etc is not an excuse, esp at CDG which is AF's home.
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07-21 10:58 AM
I agree with what you say. Yes, backlogged victims need some justice at this moment, otherwise there it is morally not good for everyone.
1. Why don't we petition first before thinking of Lawsuit. We from IV should write a letter to USCIS stating the injustice brought to the backlogged victims and how it is mentally affecting them etc. We should ask USCIS to consider these things and come up with a solution for backlogged victims instead of threatening DOS and others with Lawsuit. Since we are at their mercy, there is nothing wrong in keeping them higher up and at the same time getting what we want.
2. If the petition did not work out, then we can think about some suit. Still I don't agree with any suit as it is not going to bring justice. By the time the suit clears, you will have your GC in hand.
1. Why don't we petition first before thinking of Lawsuit. We from IV should write a letter to USCIS stating the injustice brought to the backlogged victims and how it is mentally affecting them etc. We should ask USCIS to consider these things and come up with a solution for backlogged victims instead of threatening DOS and others with Lawsuit. Since we are at their mercy, there is nothing wrong in keeping them higher up and at the same time getting what we want.
2. If the petition did not work out, then we can think about some suit. Still I don't agree with any suit as it is not going to bring justice. By the time the suit clears, you will have your GC in hand.
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Jitamitra
11-15 11:56 AM
Sounds like a good idea. It surely does touch them emotionally. Next year would be really tough with the elections coming around the corner. Let's put our voice before the year ends.
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Michael chertoff
03-28 02:38 PM
May I know how its related here...I dont want to start another Donor vs Non-Donor fight.:p
It is related my friend, you need to update your profile. dont hide your information and try to get money from other members for DC Rally. I dont think i am asking anything wrong here. you need to updated your information.
Thanks
MC
It is related my friend, you need to update your profile. dont hide your information and try to get money from other members for DC Rally. I dont think i am asking anything wrong here. you need to updated your information.
Thanks
MC
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jungalee43
09-28 11:37 AM
I used AC21 but was lucky to get RFE only. Thank God.
It is not worth unless you get double or at least 50% rise in pay.
Else don't go that route.
Guys who got NOID/Denied 485, quick question.
Looking back, do you think it was worth making the job move using AC21? Is it really worth the time, money, anxiety, sleepless nights that you go through during NOID-MTR?
For people getting layed off, they have no choice but to use AC21, but for rest of us, why not continue with the job you are currently in and let the GC take its turn rather than risking it?
PS: I am in US for past 5 yrs with May06 PD. I am just trying to get an opinion here, so don't flame on me. I was comtemplating on using AC21 but reading all the NOID stories, i am bit hesitent now.
It is not worth unless you get double or at least 50% rise in pay.
Else don't go that route.
Guys who got NOID/Denied 485, quick question.
Looking back, do you think it was worth making the job move using AC21? Is it really worth the time, money, anxiety, sleepless nights that you go through during NOID-MTR?
For people getting layed off, they have no choice but to use AC21, but for rest of us, why not continue with the job you are currently in and let the GC take its turn rather than risking it?
PS: I am in US for past 5 yrs with May06 PD. I am just trying to get an opinion here, so don't flame on me. I was comtemplating on using AC21 but reading all the NOID stories, i am bit hesitent now.
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nareshg
06-15 01:18 AM
My birth certificate has my dad full name
<First> <Middle> <Last>
and mom's name as
<First> <Middle Initial> with no last name on it..
Is that an issue ?
Any ideas ?
<First> <Middle> <Last>
and mom's name as
<First> <Middle Initial> with no last name on it..
Is that an issue ?
Any ideas ?
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06-09 05:12 PM
Because of the country quota what you have said below is applicable to only people from India, because of the tremendous competition from Indian applicatants you would need the highest points , ms or phd, 5 years experience, employer sponsorship, and also relatives, but if you are from non Indian countries then you will easily get it because there is not much if any competition.
For example people from India might need 90+ points to have any chance but people from other countries might need just 60 points to get in. This is not merit based system, it is Kennedy Diversity Visa disguised as merit system.
I have one question regarding your view. Actually point system gives points to the US experience and employer sponsorship. Because of limited number of greencards Those who are not having both of this may not be able to get green card. If you give your calculation everyone will get clear about. I think MS with 5 year US experience will get more points than fresh Phd. That serves the purpose. If that is the case then only eligible people will get gc.
For example people from India might need 90+ points to have any chance but people from other countries might need just 60 points to get in. This is not merit based system, it is Kennedy Diversity Visa disguised as merit system.
I have one question regarding your view. Actually point system gives points to the US experience and employer sponsorship. Because of limited number of greencards Those who are not having both of this may not be able to get green card. If you give your calculation everyone will get clear about. I think MS with 5 year US experience will get more points than fresh Phd. That serves the purpose. If that is the case then only eligible people will get gc.
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gk_2000
03-27 10:17 AM
MC - ur date is pretty close and I can understand ur frustration being so close yet so far. Porting is like labor substitution - LEGAL. Nothing we can do.
He has a choice of how to behave at any time. Being near the goal could also allow one to be more charitable, as you know you will be in the green in near future
He has a choice of how to behave at any time. Being near the goal could also allow one to be more charitable, as you know you will be in the green in near future
sundeep14
06-25 05:41 PM
damn..i too checked and i have got my ead approved today...so its 1 yr...i was wonderin if there is a way by which we can call next week USCIS and tell them that they i want a new ead or somethin...??
saimrathi
07-03 05:09 PM
I second that motion..
I don't know what you are confused about. Ther is nothing confusing about it at all. Maybe you're just a plain dumbass.
I don't know what you are confused about. Ther is nothing confusing about it at all. Maybe you're just a plain dumbass.
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